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Offline BrokeSpoke

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Anybody try these?
« on: May 21, 2008, 10:40:17 PM »
the camelbak "elixir" electrolyte tabs you use in your camelbak bladder? I guess there turn your boring water into electrolyte enhanced tasty water. they seem to be a good idea but they also contain caffeine and I'm not sure how I feel about drinking caffeine while on the saddle.   

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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 10:47:18 PM »
 'Caffeine is one helluva a drug.'  To make a play on some Rick James.
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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 11:12:32 PM »
Caffeine before the ride!!!...Gotta make sure I am alert and twitchy ;D!   As far as the camelbak goes......Just plain water...lots and lots of water. Electrolytes in capsule form if the ride is long enough. ;)

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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2008, 08:24:41 AM »
I've been using an electrolyte packet from Alacer (buy from most health food stores) for a couple of years and am pleased with that.  Dump a packet in a liter bottle and you are good to go.  Started using this when I wanted to get away from the sugers in the mainstream "sports drinks".  I know Hammer makes a couple of electrolyte supplments too.  I've not tried them but their products I have tried are all excellent.

BTW Gregg, I am not promoting Hammer but there is a really good article on their web sight on hydration and nutrition while exercising.  Your body is physically not capable of "replacing" the water you sweat out while exercising.  Drinking is critical but you can get too much.  Proper hydration begins several days before any strenuous outdoor activity.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2008, 09:02:27 AM »
caffeine is actually a really bad idea before exercise

"Blood flow to the heart has to increase during exercise in order to match the increased need of oxygen. But when 18 healthy people were given the equivalent of two cups of coffee, scientists found that blood flow increase during exercise was much lower than when they exercised without having consumed coffee.

This effect was even stronger when the participants were in a chamber simulating high altitude, said the scientists at the University Hospital in Zurich.

They say that although caffeine drinks are known to stimulate the brain, their results show that caffeine is unlikely to boost athletic performance.

This counters previous research suggesting that caffeine-based drinks may help sportspeople. A UK team previously reported that introducing caffeine into sports drinks increased the rate in which carbohydrate is delivered to the athlete. Many professional sportspeople already take caffeine tablets to boost their performance.

The Swiss researchers said however that their research could also "raise safety questions in patients with reduced coronary flow reserve, as seen in coronary artery disease, particularly before physical exercise and at high-altitude exposure".

Reported in the 17 January issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology (vol 47, pp405-410), the research investigated the effects on young people who were regular coffee drinkers but they did not drink any coffee for 36 hours prior to the tests.

PET scans were used to show blood flow in the hearts of 10 participants before and immediately after they rode a stationary exercise bicycle. Then they were given 200mg of caffeine in a tablet, and the exercise test was repeated 50 minutes later.

The caffeine dose did not affect blood flow within the heart muscle while the participants were at rest. However, the blood flow measurements taken immediately after exercise were significantly lower when the participants had taken caffeine tablets.

The ratio of exercise blood flow to resting blood flow, called the myocardial flow reserve, was 22 per cent lower in the group at normal air pressure after ingesting caffeine.

This was even lower in a second group who exercised in a chamber simulating the air at about 15,000 feet (4,500 meters) altitude. (39 per cent lower).

Author Dr Philipp Kaufmann said that caffeine may block certain receptors in the walls of blood vessels, interfering with the normal process by which adenosine signals blood vessels to dilate in response to the demands of physical activity.

"We now have good evidence that, at the level of myocardial blood flow, caffeine is not a useful stimulant. It may be a stimulant at the cerebral level in terms of being more awake and alert, which may subjectively give the feeling of having better physical performance. But I now would not recommend that any athlete drink caffeine before sports," he said.

Dr Kaufmann added that the study was not designed to measure athletic performance but even though it was small, the differences were large enough for the team to be confident that the effect of caffeine on heart muscle blood flow is real.

They pointed out that longer studies of people with heart disease will be needed in order to understand whether the blood flow effects have important health consequences.
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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 09:10:48 AM »
Good info. I have heard of caffeine having these kinds of effects on the body hence the reason I stopped drinking coffee, But oh do I miss it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2008, 10:11:45 AM »
decaf?

I decaf'd about 8 months ago.  I love coffee but knew I had to get off the caffeine...so I decaf'd so I can still drink it.  After the headaches and withdrawals, I feel great.

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2008, 11:57:28 AM »
I have read and experienced just the opposite about caffeine, it suppress the pain experienced with lactic acid build up allowing you to raise your pocket threshold. I have played with this in my training and can tell you personally for ME caffeine makes me go like a fiend ;D

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 12:05:26 PM »
I have read and experienced just the opposite about caffeine, it suppress the pain experienced with lactic acid build up allowing you to raise your pocket threshold. I have played with this in my training and can tell you personally for ME caffeine makes me go like a fiend ;D

try a lactic acid blocker instead - drop the caffeine and then you are going to be uber-fast guy

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2008, 12:08:09 PM »
I have read and experienced just the opposite about caffeine, it suppress the pain experienced with lactic acid build up allowing you to raise your pocket threshold. I have played with this in my training and can tell you personally for ME caffeine makes me go like a fiend ;D

So that's your super-go-fast elixer.  I know you're freakishly fast already!  How much more speed can you muster??  :o
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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2008, 12:36:36 PM »
I have read and experienced just the opposite about caffeine, it suppress the pain experienced with lactic acid build up allowing you to raise your pocket threshold. I have played with this in my training and can tell you personally for ME caffeine makes me go like a fiend ;D

try a lactic acid blocker instead - drop the caffeine and then you are going to be uber-fast guy


With a big freaking head ache!!! Some of us are addicts. You can tell me all you want about how it is bad for me. I have, in the past 6 months given up everything else! :P  Caffeine will have to wait.


Seriously though,

I take natural greens and multi vitamins and make sure that I do not dehydrate.  I drink at least 64 oz of water everyday, not just when I am riding. I do know that you can get too much, it is much more than I am drinking, and I recently added the electrolytes for longer rides 3 plus hours when it is cooler and after 2 when it is hot.

The biggest problem with supplements and hammer this, gator that, and enduro what ever is that most people use wayyyy too much.  They add unneeded calories and add chemicals to the body that are no better than caffeine. 

The best thing you can do for your body imo if you are not a uber competetive racer is eat sensibly before and after your rides, Use supplements, but don't over do it. If you are only riding for 2 hours, you will likely not need anything other than cool clean water. Longer  than that bring a snack. Something a little salty is not a bad idea.



This is what I have been doing and it has yeilded some pretty good results, I do not claim to be an expert. 


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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2008, 01:13:19 PM »
Gatoraid makes propell in single serve packs.  No sugar, just electrolites and salt.  Mix into your pack and go.  You still burn your own calories but the propell will help you in processing the water into you system.  Each pack is made for a 16 oz bottle so when you put it in a 2 or 3 ltr pack is waters dawn quite a bit and is very easy  to drink.  On longer rides where I am looking for a little extra kick i will mix in some standard gatoraid powder at about half strength.

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Re: Anybody try these?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2008, 02:37:03 PM »
I love caffiene! Drink a huge monster drink and kill it!   :o

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2008, 02:41:25 PM »
I love caffiene! Drink a huge monster drink and kill it!   :o


drink one of these before you ride..... http://www.wiredenergydrink.com/x5000.htm

read the content of that bad boy

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2008, 02:51:33 PM »
 :o thats for me!

 

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