Wes rides a 5.5 which is longer travel than the spider and a bit more relaxed in the geometry. That was the other bike I considered when I bought my Ells. The Spider and the 5.5 are available in the FRO style that shave a little weight and the head angle on the Spider gets half a degree steeper. 5.5 is same geometry both ways. A guy named Dave rides an orange Spider FRO most sunday club rides, he likes it. Are you looking for a race, trail or big hit bike?