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intellectual property discussion -- Split from another thread
« on: September 10, 2009, 08:40:24 PM »
intellectual property - like music

also - it is my team and sponsor and would be fairly stupid for me to bite the hand that feeds me eh?

intellectual property is fake property - a government-established monopoly right on ideas.

anyways a training plan is probably not patentable - your coach would have had to apply for and be granted a patent.  in this case you're just keeping a 'secret'.

i admit i baited you into saying intellectual property.  it's what my phd dissertation is about and something i am more or less against.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 11:09:09 PM »
intellectual property - like music

also - it is my team and sponsor and would be fairly stupid for me to bite the hand that feeds me eh?

intellectual property is fake property - a government-established monopoly right on ideas.

anyways a training plan is probably not patentable - your coach would have had to apply for and be granted a patent.  in this case you're just keeping a 'secret'.

i admit i baited you into saying intellectual property.  it's what my phd dissertation is about and something i am more or less against.

it ruined my career - file sharing music that I WROTE...it cost me making over 100K a year from my talent that people were aloud to steal so...I might have a different view than you on the subject.

it is theft

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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2009, 08:46:23 AM »
i admit i baited you into saying intellectual property.  it's what my phd dissertation is about and something i am more or less against.
Hmmmm... I wonder how many mp3's are on Mike's computer since he is so much against getting busted for illegal downloading  ;D
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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2009, 08:56:38 AM »
i admit i baited you into saying intellectual property.  it's what my phd dissertation is about and something i am more or less against.
Hmmmm... I wonder how many mp3's are on Mike's computer since he is so much against getting busted for illegal downloading  ;D

no kidding - LOL

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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 12:32:15 PM »
it's doubtful that you would have been making 100k if noone was pirating your music.  you should thank the pirates instead for spreading word about your music and getting more people out to your shows and buying your wax.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 12:34:01 PM »
it's doubtful that you would have been making 100k if noone was pirating your music.  you should thank the pirates instead for spreading word about your music and getting more people out to your shows and buying your wax.

I made zero $$ from music being stolen - now I have to work a regular job instead of living off art...oh well - I made it 20 some odd years without having to actually work...I can't really complain too much

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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 01:39:24 PM »
guys.  Take this discussion to the lounge if you don't mind.  make sure to keep it civil :)  let me know if you want me to break off these posts and create a new thread (In the lounge).
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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 01:42:08 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 02:40:34 PM »
can you please split off the stuff that isn't boring charts...lol

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Re: intellectual property is fake property -- Discuss
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 09:59:57 PM »
i didnt start this thread - WTF??????????
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Re: intellectual property is fake property -- Discuss
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 10:06:59 PM »
Sorry,  I split it off from the Factore thread.  I will try and change it so it does not look like you started it.  I did it because I think it is a great subject and it would be nice to hear the intellectual side and the "in practice" side.
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Re: intellectual property is fake property -- Discuss
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Re: nothing of interest to anybody....just FACTORe's workouts/ride data
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 08:38:49 AM »

it ruined my career - file sharing music that I WROTE...it cost me making over 100K a year from my talent that people were aloud to steal so...I might have a different view than you on the subject.

it is theft
What I don't understand is what happens to all the other recording artists who seem to be making some money?  Or are they not?
I mean sure, with file sharing, there is a number of lost sales but there must still be honest and willing to pay people somewhere buying music?
Intellectual property goes beyond just music too, especially in this new "we want everything for free" world.
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Re: intellectual property discussion -- Split from another thread
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 08:43:46 AM »
thanks for the example Scott  :D

Consider if some bike manufacturer had patented the "29er".  For example, let's say gary fisher/trek did. Then the only 29er bike you'd be able to buy for TWENTY YEARS would be a gary fisher 29er. That would sure be great for trek, but what about the possibility of innovative new 29er geometry and suspension technologies? GF would have little to no incentive to do anything new with 'their' 29er technology until the patent was up and other manufacturers could start selling 29ers.

now what's better - this hypothetical situation, or the wide selection of 29ers we have to choose from today  ???

note: its probably the case that 29er wheels themselves could not be patented (they've been around for a looong time). but perhaps the USE of 29er wheels on a mtb for off-road riding purposes blah blah could. 
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Re: intellectual property discussion -- Split from another thread
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 08:56:14 AM »
Ok, so what you are saying is that we shouldn't be able to make our money back when we develop that new 32" wheeled bike next year? 

It takes a lot of R&D to develop a new product (and talent in the case of music).  In your example, how could GF/Trek ever pay for development by selling the bikes at a real market value instead of the inflated (pay for development) lock in rates?

I don't think that development would be better because there is no incentive to develop high-technology (expensive) stuff.


I know for bikes the current trend is to grab market share early while other manufacturers catch up.  Still, there does need to be room to make some $$ so you can develop that next new thingy. (song, drug, bike, whatever)
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