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Carbon Frames and parts
« on: February 20, 2007, 09:13:05 PM »
Are carbon frames forgiving enough on the trail to justify giving up the full suspension? What about carbon parts? Do carbon stems and handlebars take the little vibrations and jolts out of the front end to make the ride softer? Is it worth  spending the money to get the carbon instead of aluminum? What about seatposts? Asking these questions and more  because was wondering if having a lightweight carbon hardtail is worth the money and won't make the ride too hard to enjoy. Is titanium that much better than carbon? Does it give a softer ride or does it handle better overall? Last year when my bike was down for over a month, I used an old Giant aluminum hardtail XTC and that bike wore me out every time I rode it. I know aluminum lets you feel everything and I have a steel hardtail single speed and that is a much better handling and feeling ride than the XTC, but how much better is it with the carbon or titanium? 
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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2007, 09:49:32 PM »
Ok heres what I know about Carbon from experience..  And all I ride is Hardtails..  (probably out of ignorance by now)  lol..

Carbon parts, yep they help dampen vibration on the handlebars..  when your fork is set to feel every bump in the trail..  ie. you roll over a dime and you can tell if its heads or tails...

Carbon bike, yep they dampen vibration everywhere..  they're great right up to the point that you want to blast out of a corner and the bike sags..  most carbon frames are researched to eliminate the flex that you get when you try to accelerate hard or take big hits.. 

so yes, I think carbon is worth it if your a gram junkie.. not unlike myself..  and heres the cool part..  most people will tell you that carbon frames are weak and they crack when you crash.... :o

...  well, if the wreck is bad enough to crack the carbon frame, then it would have dented or cracked aluminium as well..  its a matter of dollars and cents...  and most carbon frames like TREK have a LIFETIME warranty on them...  so long as its not rider abuse.  ie, freeriding with a carbon hardtail..

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2007, 09:54:47 PM »
the ultimate carbon bike

if i was going to ride a hardtail - this is the one i would ride:


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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2007, 10:03:41 PM »
I have a set of carbon bars and a carbon seat post, and I ride an aluminum hardtail, that is extremely beefy.

Everyone at the bike shop swore that I would notice a huge difference, I did notice a difference, but it was fairly slight. I run my Reba Race fork pretty plush, and I have Oury grips (very thick for those not familiar). That might be why I didn't feel it right away.  I really notice it after a long ride at Flatwoods. They were much lighter.

The seat post is a different story, I noticed it right away. I have a compliant seat with titanium rails, and the two together make a big difference. I have always tried to use my legs to absorb the shock. These parts make that much easier and less needed.

Also both the bar and post are Bontrager (Trek) so they have a lifetime guarantee, even if you fall.

That is my opinion, but I am a hardtail freak.

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 08:00:04 AM »
Amen! Hardtail Freak!!  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 09:51:50 AM »
This is the only carbon bike I would consider.  In fact I did consider it but it was just a little out of my price range ;)

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 09:55:03 AM »
This is the only bike to consider..  Period..   ;D

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 10:19:07 AM »
This is the only carbon bike I would consider.  In fact I did consider it but it was just a little out of my price range ;)


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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 04:48:18 PM »
So carbon frames will flex and you will lose some of the acceleration coming out of the turns? Are the new bike frames the same way or is that a characteristic of the older carbon frames?  Anyone know anything about the titanium? Is it quick? Soft? Feel fast?Asking because thinking about starting to dream about getting a 19 -20 lb. race bike. I don't even know which direction to dream about, carbon or titanium, and this is about "dreaming" not planning at this point. I think finding a used frame will be the way to go, once theplanning phase gets under way, but for now just thinking about starting to dream! (translation - I ain't gettin' crap this year!!)
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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 08:07:16 PM »
you can get almost any hardtail around 21 or 22 pounds regardless of what its made of..

if your thinking race bike..  you might want to stick with Aluminium..  it lasts its strong, does not flex as much..  but most of the flexing is older carbon models...

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 09:59:53 PM »
Kona has a really nice race bike made of scandium. Called the Kula Supreme, I rode one that was just a little over 20 pounds. Very responsive and super light.
It is spec'd out really nicely. I have no idea what scandium is but I understand that it is very light. This frame weighs about 2.5 pounds.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 10:26:29 PM »
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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 09:27:40 AM »
So it is NOT from the planet Mercury?

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2007, 11:08:03 AM »
i am telling you - this is the ultimate hardtail http://www.orbea-usa.com/fly.aspx?mid=a400&layout=viewproduct&taxid=416

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Re: Carbon Frames and parts
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 11:28:08 PM »
ok i'm looking for a killer deal on mavic crossmax slr's..  NOT USED...  anyone out there no someone trying to get rid or unload  some inventory..

have to be for v=brakes.. none of that disc nonsense.. 

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p.s. yep..  my wheels are toast!   >:(  if it aint one thing its another..  i guess its that time..
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