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Toytown site
« on: September 01, 2010, 07:04:51 PM »

Hey Garry (and others),

I saw your message on the Yahoo Groups site. I know this topic comes up from time to time. Is there some movement on this? I don't know the site very well, though it is fairly close to my house. With a newborn in the house, I'm not in a position to spearhead the effort, but I'd show up at meetings, work days etc. if it helped get it off the ground. There seems to be some interest. South Pinellas is in dire need of off road dirt trails, even if they don't stack up to Boyette or Alafia.

For those who missed Garry's message:
"There is the possibility of developing off road mountain bike trails on the old Toytown landfill property next to I-275 in St. Petersburg.  Right now developers are looking at the possibilty to build a commercial development there, but frankly with the environmental issues of digging and laying foundations and sewer/water lines I doubt that this will come about.
In the meantime the landfill folks have eluded to the fact that we may be able to build trails on the 230 acre property on a temporary basis.  Who knows, "temporary" could be a long time.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this, a handfull of us are looking into it.  Volunteer trail builders out there looking for the next great challenge?  Help make West Central Florida have the most diverse set of trails around.

How awesome - mountain bike trails and/or cyclecross course in St. Pete?!  Whoda thunk?  Local bike shops, bike dealers, and related interests should get behind this.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 07:54:20 PM »

Hey Garry (and others),

I saw your message on the Yahoo Groups site. I know this topic comes up from time to time. Is there some movement on this? I don't know the site very well, though it is fairly close to my house. With a newborn in the house, I'm not in a position to spearhead the effort, but I'd show up at meetings, work days etc. if it helped get it off the ground. There seems to be some interest. South Pinellas is in dire need of off road dirt trails, even if they don't stack up to Boyette or Alafia.

For those who missed Garry's message:
"There is the possibility of developing off road mountain bike trails on the old Toytown landfill property next to I-275 in St. Petersburg.  Right now developers are looking at the possibilty to build a commercial development there, but frankly with the environmental issues of digging and laying foundations and sewer/water lines I doubt that this will come about.
In the meantime the landfill folks have eluded to the fact that we may be able to build trails on the 230 acre property on a temporary basis.  Who knows, "temporary" could be a long time.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this, a handfull of us are looking into it.  Volunteer trail builders out there looking for the next great challenge?  Help make West Central Florida have the most diverse set of trails around.

How awesome - mountain bike trails and/or cyclecross course in St. Pete?!  Whoda thunk?  Local bike shops, bike dealers, and related interests should get behind this.

Garry
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This is the FB Fan Page that has been started:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Mountain-Biking-to-Toytown-in-Pinellas-County/122622037785677

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 08:23:15 PM »
Hey Graham - congrats to you and Nicole on the little one!

Yeah, some talk about maybe some trails on this side of the bay.  It's open area with no trees, but out west is like that too.  Anyway, probably next week I'll call the land owners and get a feel for what, if anything, we can do there.  He seemed receptive in e-mail, so we'll see.

It would also take the approval of the folks trying to develop the land.  I really don't see that happening because of all of the environmental hurdles they would have to go through, but one never knows.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 08:30:07 PM »
Sounds good. As for lack of trees, one of the best rides I ever went on was the JEM trail near Zion National Park in Utah. Not a substianal tree around and the trail rocked. Great flow. Here's to opening up Toytown!

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 08:40:26 PM »
That would be awesome to have a trail there!!!I look forward to reading more about it.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 10:22:38 PM »
I'd be super willing to help this effort, I live in Seminole so not very far away.
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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 06:38:29 AM »
Is there any elevation change ?

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 08:04:01 PM »
I'd be super willing to help this effort, I live in Seminole so not very far away.

Albe, shoot me your e-mail and I'll keep you in the loop.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 09:47:16 PM »
Is there any elevation change ?

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 01:37:29 PM »
will there be a county meeting on this? Or is it thru the developer who owns the property?
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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 03:56:12 PM »
Spent most of my day working on the roof at my place of employment.Directly overlooking toy town.Spent too much time day dreaming of what might be.There could be some amazingly fast trails built there.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 04:24:20 PM »
Spent most of my day working on the roof at my place of employment.Directly overlooking toy town.Spent too much time day dreaming of what might be.There could be some amazingly fast trails built there.
yeah like, banked wooden turns, bridges, jumps, teeter totters
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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 05:10:26 PM »
You read my mind...But dont fall and get a boo boo cause I bet you will end up with some pretty weird infections from a landfill.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 06:08:15 PM »
Spent most of my day working on the roof at my place of employment.Directly overlooking toy town.Spent too much time day dreaming of what might be.There could be some amazingly fast trails built there.
yeah like, banked wooden turns, bridges, jumps, teeter totters

prob not on temporary trails..

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 06:41:23 PM »
For anyone who is interested, this topic has come back up on the Swamp Yahoo group email. Those trails in the video (http://www.local10.com/video/27526218/index.html) that Garry posted look darn good for an old garbage dump.
 
If it helps with a general understanding of what's going on with the Toytown site, you can read this from last year: http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/toytown-developers-want-housing-retail-rail-stop-8212-and-wouldnt-reject-a/1070544
 
The developers has an option to buy the site if they decide it it worth going forward. If they don't exercise that option, then it again falls to the county to decide what to do with it. That's my understanding.
 
The site has a lot of elevation change by Florida standards. It lacks trees, but so does Moab and the JEM trail, both legendary MTB areas. Right now, the only thing out there is the model plane flying club. The area is about 1.2 miles long. Not sure how wide.
 
I dream of southern Pinellas County mountain bike trails.
 
 

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 02:10:36 AM »
What do we need to do to get this moving forward?
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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2011, 08:37:12 AM »
The problem as I see it is that the clay cap is not very thick so you can't do a lot of sculpting to create interesting trail features unless you import lots of fill dirt to build it up. As most people here know, removing dirt to expose features is a lot easier than hauling it in. Erosion unless extremely carefully managed would be vastly more problematic than at any other local site. On most of the other trails we can dig in and rework wherever water isn't flowing properly. At Toytown digging in may not be an option. How do you do a bench cut into a hill to make a sustainable trail bed when the soil is only two foot deep?

The lack of trees is pretty brutal as well.

Still, it's a surmountable challenge. I would like to see something happen that isn't another development even if it's not a mountain bike park. Doesn't the Tampa Bay area currently have a massive surplus of never lived in brand new houses that were built during the boom?

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 11:55:31 AM »
There are different ways to avoid erosion and still design a fun trail system.  Digging is not an option, so importing soil and rock to make technical trail features would have to be the trick.  Who knows what will happen after this July.  There is a golf course development group that wants to build ANOTHER golf course here - do we really need another golf course in the Tampa Bay area?

I think when/if the opportunity presents itself people get involved and convince the PCC and City officials that this is the way to go.  Working with the radio control airplane folks so they get to keep what they have too because a project like this always needs friends.

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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2011, 03:06:13 PM »
20 mile rock garden!
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Re: Toytown site
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 01:38:31 PM »
Hey folks -- An update on the Toytown site. The developer backed out, but it's sounding like a German group is looking at the site for a potential solar array.
 
Developer backs out:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/developer-scraps-plans-for-housing-and-offices-at-the-old-toytown-landfill/1175687
 
Germans are coming!
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/german-based-group-looking-at-pinellas-county-for-major-solar-energy/1175710

 

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