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Offline BeerCan

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2009, 11:45:51 PM »
Um  . . . why don't you take your forum planning to your forum?   ::)
Good luck with your new venture.

Um.. I am a SWAMP member... This is the SWAMP forum, right? At least it is Mountain Bike Related :)
It is not MB related.  It is related to setting up and organizing a forum.  Learn how to use your PM's or even your own forum to do this kind of planning.  My guess is you are trying to drive up your membership by discussing these things on this forum. 

You obviously don't like it here or you would not have set up the new forum.  You just can't get yourself to leave because your new place is lonely.  Learn to build your community on your own.  This thread had/has a decent theme and you came in and used it as an advertisement.  If you don't like the job we are doing send us a PM and offer ways or suggestions on how to make this community better. 

<--OK I edited out a piece of my post.  Suffice to say I could have expressed my anger better.  I tend to be a smart ass and it did not add to my post -->
« Last Edit: December 01, 2009, 09:18:25 AM by BeerCan, Reason: wiseguy »
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Re: Lurking
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2009, 11:55:22 PM »
No one said they didn't like it here from what I'm reading - where exactly did anyone elude to the contrary?



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Re: Lurking
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2009, 12:06:53 AM »
No one said they didn't like it here from what I'm reading - where exactly did anyone elude to the contrary?


Why would someone go to the trouble of building a new forum if they liked the one that was available?  As I read these posts I got the impression that Darrin did not like the content or moderation on this site so he created a new one.  No effort to try and make this community better, at least not that I am aware of.  My impression and opinion is . . .(edited for the sake of peace)
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Re: Lurking
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2009, 12:19:28 AM »
Um  . . . why don't you take your forum planning to your forum?   ::)
Good luck with your new venture.

Um.. I am a SWAMP member... This is the SWAMP forum, right? At least it is Mountain Bike Related :)
It is not MB related.  It is related to setting up and organizing a forum.  Learn how to use your PM's or even your own forum to do this kind of planning.  My guess is you are trying to drive up your membership by discussing these things on this forum.  IMO that speaks volumes, you trash the forums and the moderators while pimping your new digs. 

You obviously don't like it here or you would not have set up the new forum.  You just can't get yourself to leave because your new place is lonely.  Learn to build your community on your own.  This thread had/has a decent theme and you came in and used it as an advertisement.  If you don't like the job we are doing send us a PM and offer ways or suggestions on how to make this community better. 

But to answer your question, you are a swamp member and this is the swamp forum.  Next time you need to know the answers to these questions you can do a couple of things.  For your swamp member status your renewal date is on the address tag on your newsletter.  If you have not received a newsletter in some time that may indicate your membership has lapsed.  You could also email membership@swampclub.org and ask for your status.  To determine if you are on the swamp forum you can look at the header.  Every swamp forum page has a header at the top that says SWAMP.  You can do these things and never have to ask if you are a member or on this forum again.  You will have gained self sufficiency, it will feel good.

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2009, 12:30:27 AM »
No one said they didn't like it here from what I'm reading - where exactly did anyone elude to the contrary?


Why would someone go to the trouble of building a new forum if they liked the one that was available?  As I read these posts I got the impression that Darrin did not like the content or moderation on this site so he created a new one.  No effort to try and make this community better, at least not that I am aware of.  My impression and opinion is . . .(edited for the sake of peace)

Actually was not a lot of trouble to create BC.. I had the account from my old club and had an idea that something like a local MTBR would be cool. not tied to specific club or other local organization to make it a little more independent with no paying memberships, or other club politics to worry about... Make it more informational and user friendly.  Been playing around with it for awhile now...

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2009, 04:18:42 AM »
I agree.  It's truly bad form to talk up, or advertise, your new forum post after post on another forum.  Since the SWAMP Forum is so bad exit stage left and enter the new one that you find more preferable. Planning, discussions, direction, and who covers what duties can all be done there, not here.

SWAMP, or any other organization, can't be all things for everybody.  I'm not so keen on a road bike section on a mountain bike forum.  After all, face it, this IS a MOUNTAIN BIKE FORUM.  I'm also not so keen on vulgar and distasteful posts.  They serve no purpose in promoting the sport or enticing people to join or be affiliated with SWAMP.

The occasional meltdown once ANYTHING remotely mentioning church or religion in general is boring, self serving, and as well distasteful for the masses.

With this newly formed forum you speak of, and promote, I also see can't be all things for all people either.  My suggestion is to do your promotion, planning, and set up there; not here on this forum.

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2009, 06:54:02 AM »
Don't know how much right I have to enter this fray but as a long time member of a road forum that spawned another road forum several years ago I have seen a lot of this _grass is greener_ stuff.  I do know that it takes a lot of committment to have a successful forum.  There was a lot of name calling between the two groups for a while and still some jabs now and then but it has settled down now and the two groups play nice for the most part. 
 
FWIW Garry, I agree with you in that it would appear to be bad form to plan and maybe even promote your new gig here.  I am a a member of a fellowship that subscribes to the notion of _attraction rather than promotion_.  Let me just say that it works and it feels adult.

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2009, 07:23:29 AM »
I agree.  It's truly bad form to talk up, or advertise, your new forum post after post on another forum.  Since the SWAMP Forum is so bad exit stage left and enter the new one that you find more preferable. Planning, discussions, direction, and who covers what duties can all be done there, not here.

SWAMP, or any other organization, can't be all things for everybody.  I'm not so keen on a road bike section on a mountain bike forum.  After all, face it, this IS a MOUNTAIN BIKE FORUM.  I'm also not so keen on vulgar and distasteful posts.  They serve no purpose in promoting the sport or enticing people to join or be affiliated with SWAMP.

The occasional meltdown once ANYTHING remotely mentioning church or religion in general is boring, self serving, and as well distasteful for the masses.

With this newly formed forum you speak of, and promote, I also see can't be all things for all people either.  My suggestion is to do your promotion, planning, and set up there; not here on this forum.

Thank you for your understanding.

Garry Rosseter
SWAMP Club President


Is it bad form to discuss MTBR, or Singletracks.com, or BikeMag.com, etc. on this site? Are these considered "Competition" to this forum or regarded as "the enemy" of the SWAMP Forum? What about MTBFLA.com which I have seen posts about on here? Really guys, this post was discussing ideas to promote this forum and some have taken it as a slap in the face. If I did not like this forum I would not be on here so much. I did not throw a hissy fit in the Shout Box, flame and post about how I was wronged or even trash this forum... I brought up an idea I have been kicking around to promote the sport to more people in the area and drive more people to be members of SWAMP and people reacted on both sides of the issue.

I have asked BC to remove the link to the "Test forum" I made and will no longer post anything concerning them. IF some of us decide to create a new forum or forums we will still promote SWAMP, but refrain from posting anything on here that would even resemble an ad, promotion, or be regarded as trying to "Drive up" membership unless approved by the leadership of SWAMP...

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2009, 07:43:40 AM »
I can see what you you guys are saying, but he was never really saying he didn't like this forum or saying his was better. I get on at least 3 other MTB forums. It doesn't mean I don't like this one the best. Sometimes variety is a good thing.
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Re: Lurking
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2009, 08:58:12 AM »
Let me preface this by saying that I'd be upset if you leave this forum Darrin. Your posts are enjoyable,funny and interesting. I also love making fun on your headtube length.

But, it was most certainly in bad taste to bring up starting another forum when I was obviously trying to build this one up a bit. I do not see your point about MTBR or Singletracks as they are not a Tampa Bay area forum. If you need to start a forum where you have more control of your charity work and group ride schedule then I say go for it brother. I will request that you take these damn roadies with you though.......jk.

In my strong opinion the forum activity has dropped off due to a hostile environment that surfaces at times. People would often come on to the shout box and then get run off by jokes,that were sometimes hard to tell were jokes (ie Luis). I am guilty of taking things a little to far with people I know or have met. I think at times mm may have honestly thought we hated him cause he rides a Trek. When I met mm I was glad that I cleared things up with him as he could pop me like a pimple.
I thought that proedge was gonna end up having a heart attack over the squeaking Specialized comments. I sure am glad we started playing nice cause his videos have no doubt brought a lot of attention to our trails,the club and TripleT's alter ego (Bono).

The MAIN reason for the slow down in my strong opinion would be the meltdowns that have occurred when someone, who is only guilty of using a common expression, some very non-offensive analogy, a slight mistake or nothing at all, is delivered the online beat down from the super-hyper sensitive. I have witnessed these meltdowns get to the point of personal insults and even calling people out to a parking lot brawl (not to be mistaken for BillT's parking lot brawl with his own bike). I really glad we didn't get to the point of being like 15 yr old youtube commenter  ::) Seems like most of us have no interest in being in this forum if that is allowed to take place. I myself, took a break from the forum due to the nonsense that was taking place. Since I'm pointing the finger I may as well point it at myself by admitting that I enjoyed baiting the hyper sensitive but even if I wasn't the actual source I was still a contributor to the bad atmosphere......well, according to Slowfatguy :P . eclark may make his feelings known about people who complain about the trails and don't work on them, or people who start other bike groups with rides that conflict with workdays but I personally don't agree that he is dragging down the forum (maybe he'll wave at me from his road bike now).

As for this "overmoderation" I keep hearing about I have to say that I may have only been affected by such a thing a few times out of over a thousand posts (note to self: get a life). Typically I type out a long comment to find that the thread is locked when I go to post it. While that can be annoying I am often able to see the reason for locking or deleting. 98% of the time I agree that the mods did the right thing and sometimes it seems as if they are just stopping stuff before it has the chance to attract the super-hyper sensitive. I'd much rather them go a little overboard then let things get to the point of people hurl personal insults.

We're here to have fun, debate bike related stuff, pick on each others bikes, put in some e-miles in the shout box, get tips, and then meet up Sat(note that I said "Sat" Darrin) to do it all over again face to face :P The forum helps keep me interested in mtb'ing as I have a tendency to ride the couch more than my bike. Now start posting some interesting things you slackers!
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Re: Lurking
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2009, 09:07:12 AM »
Catman, you have lights?  I need to start doing some night rides over at carter with strongfastguy and the crew.  Anyone else?  I can never plan far enough in advance to make the boyette or flatwoods rides but be out by 10 on any given night works fine for me.  My new one ride a week schedule is leaving me feeling unsatisfied lately. 
 
As far as a slow forum goes, I hope it is slowing because people are getting tired of riding and quitting.  That would be awesome!!

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2009, 09:32:21 AM »
another reason that the forum might be slowing down is all the different areas things get pushed to.  There are not that many active members where you need to have 50 different sections IMO. 

the whole "no roadie talk" thing is absurd as I have ridden and set up road rides with SWAMPers and MTBers on this forum numerous times.  There are a ton of cyclists...not just mtbers that are SWAMP members.  Why is it that so many people that ride MTBs exclusively get so upset when other MOUNTAIN BIKERS talk about part of their cycling training that takes place on a road bike.  This isnt a nutrition or a cross training forum either but now one seems to get all bent out of shape when somebody talks about other forms of workouts and or supplements or things that are general fitness etc.

if you look at the top ten threads on this forum you will find:

mileage continuum
to shave or not to shave
the big O
and mileage update

so 40% of the most popular threads on here definitely are not mountain bike exclusive

To me the ideal forum would be a cycling forum that stays away from politics and religion and the slamming of religion as well. 

Have 1 non cycling related section that is basically a "lounge" section
a ride meet up section
upcoming events
a race section
a photo/video section
club membership information
trail workdays section

trail conditions/road conditions

keep it clean and simple

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2009, 10:11:41 AM »
I'm gonna throw in a couple of pennies here. I don't mind the road bike stuff, I even commute to work when I can and get a nice ride in on the Ft Frasier trail on some evenings. Some people seem to want to push a roadie agenda to prove a point, and start threads with seemingly no point other than to talk roadie and irritate others.
 
The other thing is that humor and sarcasm are hard to interpret at times on the internet. And some of us have a rough sense of humor that alot of people may not be able to understand. What looks like a full on mud-slinging is really just friendly banter among friends. I can imagine someone new might be intimidated by this. Couple that with the fact that alot of the "old-timers" that have been with SWAMP for years still communicate through the yahoo group email thing, and the board doesn't get the traffic that it might otherwise.
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Re: Lurking
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2009, 10:23:58 AM »
Catman, you have lights?  I need to start doing some night rides over at carter with strongfastguy and the crew.  Anyone else?  I can never plan far enough in advance to make the boyette or flatwoods rides but be out by 10 on any given night works fine for me.  My new one ride a week schedule is leaving me feeling unsatisfied lately. 
 
As far as a slow forum goes, I hope it is slowing because people are getting tired of riding and quitting.  That would be awesome!!

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Re: Lurking
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2009, 12:27:59 PM »
After reading all this  I'm trying to decide if I should ride my MTB, go out and add some LOGS to Roller Coaster Ridge or go do a long ROAD RIDE. Cause you all know to get stronger on a mtb you need to ride the road. Ain't that right Erik.
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