Thanxs guys for letting me know, my kids are driving me nuts and the wife is off tomorrow so I need to ride. Maybe we can hook up another time. I've never done the Ididaride but would like to, time permitting. I started doing the Wilderness Loop twice to get extra miles in myself, so I may do that tomorow or go to Boyette, I haven't been there in along time. Decisions,decisions. Good luck with the Christmas duties.