Interesting topic. I think I have been a member of SWAMP for about 4-5 years. Like most people, I feel it is the least I can do ($30 family membership) in appreciation for the trail work. I am not a big trail work guy (maybe 2-3 days a year), but I feel it is important. My experience is similar to a lot of you. I joined SWAMP, started going on the Sunday rides to have someone to ride with and learn the trails. Once I became a better rider and found people I enjoyed riding with, we branched off on our own. Now I have a group of 5-6 guys that I regularly ride with and don't do the SWAMP rides. The only reason none of us ride with SWAMP is because we have tailored our group and rides to do exactly what we want, when we want. Maybe I am to much of a "glass is half full guy", but what SWAMP offers is pretty amazing when you think about it. Guided rides on the best trails we have, and they occur on a regular basis at different trails, and for ALL levels. I have seen an "A" rider on a SWAMP ride volunteer on the spot to take a group of "D" riders (that is how inexperienced they were), on a guided tour of Boyette. I wouldn't do that for total strangers on one of my only days to ride. I am truly sorry, you (beatthebaby) have had a negative experience with SWAMP, but last I heard, there are 500 members. I am more than confident that you can find a large group to get along with. In any group setting, you are going to have personality conflicts, but I believe that you are painting with a very broad stroke on this one. YMMV.